Mike, from june 28 till september 14 is giving V4 a fair shot imho. I can't get V4 to run without crashing on any of the PC's here. The update was just the proverbial last ... . I may reinstall V3.1 on one of the PC's but V4 is a definite no no. In the last 3 months I actually finished 1 single pic, the rest I gave up on or took 'm into V3 and did postwork. The next $129 are going into a Poser update if & when it's released.