Yep, knew that. And the problem is, I'd LIKE to get as close to the Poser ones as I can for DS and have NO idea how to accomplish it. I fear Poser users will get crappy shaders by primarily DS vendors and vice versa. Not intentionally of course, but because they aren't familiar with the other software. Or, worse yet, they'll dumb down the shaders in BOTH in the name of simplicity.

Laurie