He he, experiencing meatSim having to explain his little joke was great fun! Subtle sarcasm always goes through so well in this forum... Anyhow I cannot understand people complaining. I tried complaining once in 1975 but found that it wasn't my cup of tea. This new situation with new versions of both Daz and Poser (with one of them free!) + free Dawn make me feel like a four year old who are let loose in a great toy store with parents away.