Oh, and dismissing most of what you found as crappy isn't going to win you friends around here. Many people put their first efforts into free stuff as they learn and try to give something back to the community. Many others continue to give freebies even after they are quite professional and selling their products. Remember also that lighting and texturing and posing make a lot of difference. Some folks are wonderful modelers, but it takes more than that to make a compelling image. Carolly