I think what I really want is a tutorial for amapi like litst made for a head in the carrara vm. I have been playing with amapi for about a week now and it is the closet thing I have had to use that is comparable to Nendo. The smoothing tools are the coolist thing I have seen in a bit. After looking at the tutorials in v6 I think I am going to upgrade. I dont really want to, but I think if I stick with amapi then things will start to pay off with character animation in Carrara. I didnt really have a problem with Carrara's modelers but I dont think that they generate the correct type of geometry for animation so I will need somthing a bit more sophisticated. -brent