Thanks Markschum  I tried the first suggestion, it didnt work, the second is over my head, I have no idea how to do a hybrid and still learning the MD part so that is not for learning at the present moment, :(

I think you are right seachnasaigh, I believe that is probably the issue, its very tricky to see what intersects with what as its just a tangle of tri's, think i will scrap that one and go onto the next, if i have time at the end of the trial period of MD then I will mess around with it again to see if i can take it further.

 

Tools:- Win10, Dell XPS8900, ZBrush, Marvelous Designer 11, Hex 2, PSP8. PSP 2019 Ultimate, DAZ Studio, Affinity Photo, Affinity Designer, Filterforge 11, flowscape,  Classic UVMapper, and several headache tablets.