but wars between OS's are good =) just don't get one started about unix/pc grin my post was just to let people know that there isn't only the choice of IE/Netscape, there are other browsers around, they just aren't as famous go to www.tucows.com - you can download trial/freeware software, and look through the browsers, try a few often you will find something simple that'll do the job you want, without the eye candy, and your computer will be the happier for it you don't need to use netscape or IE if neither do what you want =) but if they are fine, by all means use them SewerRat