Quote - > Quote - Other than the fact that it is natively supported for both Poser and DS, what are the practical reasons for embracing Dawn for DS? 

I have decided not to purchase G2/V6 because I do not want to buy into that 10-new-base-figures-every-year thing DAZ pushes. 

I have downloaded Dawn and given it a try.  I notice that none of my previously-purchased clothing autofits.  There are minimal morphs.  The Gen4 UVs don't work.  I can't use GenX.  The limitations seem more boundless than the possibilities.

Why would DS users now want to get involved with this?

Man, There is just something wrong with this Ford carberator, It just wont fit on my Chevy.

You apparently don't know how autofit works, or how figures are UVmapped. The limitations are boundless because you seem to think features design spacifically for Genesis should work on all figures. They don't.

More over it isn't just UVmapping. Genesis has 3 main textures for the body, dawn has 4. So in order to make V4's textures work on Dawn you would have to stretch the arms and legs, which will show, and horendusly.

Autofit works on clones, so Mil3 clothes wont autofit to genesis with out buying the iconic shapes morphs. I've come to the conclusion the mil4 clothes don't autofit worth a flip because I didn't buy the mil4 morphs for genesis {wasn't suposed to need them}. If someone makes a V4 clone for dawn autofit would probably work for V4 clothes.

But this right here is good enough reason for me.

"I have decided not to purchase G2/V6 because I do not want to buy into that 10-new-base-figures-every-year thing DAZ pushes."

Genesis was out for a bit but I didn't have much to spend so I got what I thought was the absolute nesseties for morphs and nothing else. Before I could even get started on buying what I want; which is hirez skins and more base morphs, like the creatures, we had G2F. Bets are before too long we will see G2M, and so on. Personally I don't expect to see any G1 updates despite what DAZ says. But I have said it before I can not aford to toss a couple of hundered at DAZ everytime the dolly flavor changes.

Because I know who is working on Dawn, I have no concerns about it's development. Even though I expect some thing like an Even; male, soon enough {Dawn, evening-Even} ;)

Right now I haven't got a dime to spare because I need to save up to buy a new comp; to replace the one the mobo fried on, but if I had money to spend I would spend it on Dawn long before G1 or G2F.

And the big reason why? I've know Chris Creek for years, he was the artistic soul of DAZ. I certainly have more faith in him then DAZ.

Oh, here http://hivewire3d.com/forum/showthread.php?393-Create-a-V4-Clone-for-Dawn-%28a-tutorial%29 ;)

Of corse it does help that Hivewire isn't trying to shuve some elaborate download and install sytem down my throat, or some too close to DRM clothing commercial system. Mark my words, soon enough you will be getting commercials for clothes that are on sale, in your CMS window when you load G2M. Or watch Studio shut down and not work again because CMS found some piece of content in your studio content folder, er umm my libaray folder, oh no my daz3d libabray, or who knows what is may be called by then, that isn't in you DAZ purches history.

Yes, that is pure pariniod speculation. None the less it's nice that Hivewire gives me credit of having enough intelagence to install content with out help.

{regardless of how badly I spell} :D

 

I think it quite possible to keep this civil without casting aspersions on any individuals level of experience.  I have spent the past two years or so working heavily with autofit in attempting to utilize the pre-Genesis content I own.  Gotten pretty good at it, as a matter of fact (e.g. V3/A3/V4 high heels on Genesis? not much of problem any more). 

Also, I like that DS allows me (when using the various UVs that will work with Genesis) to convert UVs designed for one figure to work with another (via Map Transfer).  In my view it is a major advantage to be able to re-use textures from previous or alternative figures.  

As with most, I do not appreciate having to re-purchase the same content a second time for a new figure unless there is a compelling reason to do it.  Combine the backward compatability of the V4 UVs with GenX, and many Renderosity vendors have been able to sell the their characters for both V4 and Genesis, and, for both DS and Poser.

I agree wholehartedly regarding G2 and M6, A6, H6, S6, F6, V7, M7,..., V23, etc., etc., etc.  But the concerns regarding V23 are relevant for any new character.  I am sure that the Dawn character is well designed and even I can tell that the builder understands DS very well.

Technically, G2/V6 is superior to Genesis.  However, there are many other factors to consider.  And it is these other factors that prevent many of us from buying G2/V6.  Now, if I do find content for G2 that I want, since Sickle Yield has constructed a G2 clone for Genesis, I can still download and use G2 content on Genesis. 

Although I bought both DS 4 Pro and Poser Pro 2012, I spent most of my time learning DS because I liked the Genesis concept.  Like many, I am not happy with the way Genesis was managed.  Especially when it comes to Poser.  But before I spend any money on a new character, I want to be confident it is the going to be money well spent.