Moriador: "I'm all for anatomically correct figures purely on philsophical grounds."

Yep I am guilty of that too. Lali is based on a girl I fell hopelessly in love with and wrote 110 poems for and made lots of music for etc etc and I still kind of feel that it is an insult to women in general whenever they come out with a 3D figure without a vagina. But that is my personal feeling about it. Off course there might be practical issues and moral concerns.

Stuff about under age models having genitals

... and the potential for catering for child pornographers. I've read a few comments across the forum about this issue. Although I deplore the existence of such urges in certain people, and depite what we do to prevent it, it has always been around and it is very hard to eliminate that from our society. These people will find a way no matter what. Even with Dawn, who is as sexless as a castrated monk high on valium, they would be able to conjure up dodgy things. Now because it is virtual, I'd almost say let them wallow in their own miserable fantasies, you can't stop that anyway. But if that extends into our society and onto the screens of our kid's computer, the best we can do is have faith in the systems in place, either technologically or judicially, and just promise ourselves to be alert at all times to stop our young ones becoming a victim of this.

But like Shane says, it hasn't shown itself to be such a big deal up until now, and since the release of Lali's Bits, nothing dodgy has been seen yet, or at least not that I know of. I think we must not under-estimate the websites, the firewalls, the internet police, all the good people involved, and above all our kids. Everyone pretty much knows what the deal is, and there are only very few people that have truly bad intentions. Off course there are websites that seem to attract the sick ones amongst us. But its not that hard to stay away from, especially if your moral grounding is sound.

But since Project E is more than just a set of genitals, and age morphs would be a nice addition to a complete figure, it would make a whole bunc of people feel much much better if I included that option ONLY for the version with a 'neutered' crotch. In other words, not fit for sex.

nobodyinparticular - "Even children have genitals, and it may frighten people to know that they are aware of them. I've had children, had to explain things many times. To me, figures without genitals are like the old three fingered cartoon figures."

yep, and that always seems to go well. When it comes to kids seeing naked people, opinions about that vary across the world. In sex education books its not a problem. In Holland they walk around naked on most beaches haha. But it shouldn't have to be a problem at all. We must not over-protect our kids because that will only have the adverse effect on them... they'll get even more curious! When it comes to kids seeing porn... hmm. In my experience, kids are usually completely uninterested in that stuff. When I was 11, I really couldn't care less about the whole reproduction story. It sounded daft at best. When I was 13 however, things kinda changed. But even then it wasn't such a big thing for me. Only much later did I start drawing naughty pictures in my notebooks haha. I think we should have a little more faith in kids handling thes emost natural things like genitals ans sex. We musn't get all worried if we catch your teenage kid checking porn... unless it becomes excessive and a hinderance for their development. But that usualy indicates that there's another problem going on than sex.

For the record I don't have kids, but all my three sisters do. I might as well be a father with 8 nephews and nieces!!!! I don't show them my naughty work.

randym77 - "If you're doing porn, or erotic art, or whatever, you'll probably want a lot more detail than someone doing artistic nudes or clothed figures, and it's a waste of polys."

caisson - "I genuinely do not understand why that level of detail would be desirable in a figure used in non-pornographic renders. Would seem like a big waste of resources."

yep, that and the previous comment I made about age morphs, are two reasons why I'm considering providing a genital-less option.

Toastie - "It seems to me that if you're going to make a figure with proper genitals then you might as well do it properly! Otherwise do you have to make a series of figures with various degrees of anatomical accuracy?"

yep, but ommitting all the coitus-related morphs is easy to do.

meatSim - "If the figure is over all very well done but its primary distinction is its marvelous morphing vagina and anus (really?!) I think it will set a tone where it will end up niched regardless of quality or potential. I would expect that as much as the figure is focused on its sexuality so too will be the lions share of the products made for it. "

I think the way it goes once its out depends on many things, like obviously marketing and how it has been put out there. But I think it will be inevitable that it will get a 'Porn' stamp on it because of a few reasons:

• My name is EROgenesis
• My site is full of stuff that people will immediately call porn
• Project E will have very detailed genitals, and some influencial people will be vary inclined to label it as porn and dissociate themselves with it, for the same reason as someone else mentioned earlier. Either they think it is morally polluting, or they are afraid to be associated with it on a professional level, etc...

So I think it would be inevitable. the only way I could hope to counter that is a strong media campaign, and show people in my comics and renders how nicely it works.

Personally I'm not too bugged by it. If it turns out to be as good as I hope, and people still avoid it because she's got a vagina, well that's their loss.

Walters - "In our society evidently any form of violent image is OK-but a nekkid breast? Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!"

Have you noticed that the porn is on the top shelf and the guns are on the bottom shelf. What would you rather have your kid playing with? his willy or a .45 cailber hangun? haha

BadKittehCo - "If I was being pushy, I'd get all insistant about having enough geometry on her so she can grow a weeniee, especially considering that in a real person, elements of those organs are shared on males and females, just rearranged in differnet places."

I actually incorporated that option, but I still have to see how that will work out.

"Porn and Erotica"

Call me stupid but I seriously never considered my work to be porn until someone a few days ago called it that. Porn for me is graphic images of senseless sexual intercourse, with no story or reason why they are doing so. Its just to get a load off.

I've always aspired my work to be more about what we in real life experience swith sex, the personalities that we have sex with, flirting, the verbal foreplay, the chit-chat. But also after the sex, the compulsory toilet visit, etc... but porn? Hmm.

off course my comics do have some pretty graphic scenes, but they are always articulated with some added humor and / or personality that you hardly ever see in porn.

ok stopping now or this post will get TOO LONG!!

"The fool is not the one that does something foolish, but the one that does nothing at all."