Ewww, icky female genitals? Personally, I personally find that an odd view but it’s certainly not unknown.. As for your courtesy in not discussing ‘d***s’, really, thanks but offering not to mention something as perfectly normal as a penis in return for people not mentioning your personal bete noir is unneeded, but suit yourself. I find some of the products in my grocer’s meat counter icky but I don’t see the need to stop discussing chops and roasts if only someone else won’t mention tripe and brains. Even if a sizeable element, or a majority of a particular culture agrees with your view doesn’t make the other view the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theater or standing up in church and shouting, ‘God is a SOB because he didn’t save my Nana when I asked him to!’ Nor, IMO, is a matter of fact adult discussion likely to warp the mind of some hypothetical 13 yr, old, who’s probably seen more vaginas that I did by the time I was 40. Last I heard, vagina was still in the middle school health books.

BTW, if you’re concerned about the kiddies here, maybe you might want to say penis and not d**k. It kind of belies any argument based on morality, esthetics or paternal interest and makes it seem like you’re OK with whatever as long as your own button doesn’t get pushed. As for why all the discomfiting discussion of genitals, why do people insist on discussing weight mapping or anything else? It’s because they want something better than what’s out there. This is no different. You may disagree with their desire, or attribute it to any motivation you like, it’s no less legitimate a subject for discussion because you have no interest or find it disturbing. Unless the moderators say it should be taken to the back alley, I don’t see the concern. There are far nastier back and forths here than people trying to have a reasonable discussion about something that should be a non issue. I’ve seen people asking how to decapitate Vickie and nary a feather seems ruffled. Ask for an anatomical feature that more than half of humanity possesses and Katy bar the door. Somewhere, an ape is vehemently denying any relationship to the human species. It’s like when Zsa Zsa went to the gynecologist and the doctor asked her if she’d ever had a check up there. ‘No, dahling,’ she replied, ‘a Pole and a couple of Lithuanians but never a Czech.’

Erogenesis, I agree that the terminology can fit the audience. Indeed, using the neutral terms is still going to put some people off and the benefit may only be marginal. As I said though, I don’t think it would lose you any customers either and it may gain a few but whatever makes you happy is what you should do.

“As I just posted in the rant above this the tirades against prudism and puritainism are just as much strawman arguments as anyone suggesting desire for a complete figure are result of some manner of perversion.”

A fine sentiment, and probably better than “The crowd who keeps harping …” which kinda just throws Vodka on the flames I think. We all need to try be a bit less out there, I try albeit with limited success – but as I said earlier, it is not a subject that people are too rational about for whatever reasons.. People are going to get their backs up if they’re called prudes OR perverts. Being put in a gang or crowd or cabal or whatever just increases the odds they’ll actually form one – fights, hell, that’s the way wars get started. I must say though that part of your annoyance, pique, whatever seems to keep going back to what someone said in some other thread, and be as much about someone dissing another figure as anything else. Far be it from me to tell you to let it go, but it seems like an unhappy grudge to me. I’ve been here long enough to learn that someone I find to be a complete idiot and an ass in one thread can be perceived entirely differently in another, or on another topic but you have to give it a chance. This entirely baffling figure and program fetishism is really destructive IMO. It leads to the kind of apocalyptic thinking that encourages excess. If Dawn fails, it’s the end of Poser – WTF – a vote against Dawn is a vote for DAZ – seriously? Poser and DAZ disappear tomorrow and cats everywhere rejoice at the added attention. I’ve seen this movie before, you’re either with us or against us, better dead than red. It always ends badly, always. Unfortunately, unlike on Star Trek, there is no evil entity thriving on discord that we can starve by making nice, we do it to ourselves. As the old boy said making his way out of the porno film, “Excuse me, this is where I came.”

"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H. L. Mencken