Thanks for the kind words.

Anyone feel free to redistribute the fix. Just because I personally have not much need for Dawn, doesn't mean I begrudge others having fun with her.

Sorry, while I know that the position of joint centers can be changed with a pose file (I have done so often in the past), I don't know if animateable joint settings can be changed that easily. But it's really not hard doint it manually as one just has to spin two dials in this case.

As for genitals in general, they don't make or brake a figure for me. Mesh topology does. If Dawn had the mesh topology I expected her to have after learning who her designer is, I simply would export her hip, add a few hundred polygons, sculpt a vagina, add the transmapped genitals my other figures use as a new bodypart, and be done with it.

So, me not finding Dawn that useful has nothing to do with her having genitals or not.

But...From a technical point of view there is absolutely no reason for not having enough polygons in a figure's hip right from the start. Poser doesn't care if a figure has 40.000 polygons or 40.500 and if you don't use them because you don't need genitals for your work, you won't even notice they are there.

As I noted earlier, all 3rd and 4th generation DAZ males as well as children have all those "naughty" polygons sitting in their hips, doing exactly nothing.

So the only logical reason for Dawn's mesh topology being as it is, is to try to prevent the figure from being associated with 3D porn.

A pretty futile attempt, I may say, as for the moral watchdogs out there even a sliver of nipple or a few square inches of butt showing will be enough to see the innocennce of the young ones gravely endangered.

And as I said, give me 15 minutes in Wings3D and I put enough polygons in Dawn's crotch that you can sculpt a talking vagina from it and tie her labia minora into a knot if you feel inclined to do so.

As for what can or should be discussed in the forums: It's up for the Mods to decide. I think they are much more concerned with personal attacks than  technical discussions about virtual genitals.

With real porn never more than two clicks away in the internet, I doubt that a thread like this could do any serious harm to anyone.

:-)