Helen, not to put too fine a point on it, but you say, "This was in reply to a post I made that had absoutely nothing to do with the topic of the guild.. ", so I have to ask you, why post to this thread at all then, since this thread is about this guild? :) It does seem you got what you wanted though, to stir it into a hornets nest. I expect any moment now it will get moved to C&D so as to deprive most artists of knowledge this movement exists, since most do not read C&D that read here. Ah well, I shall repost, repost, and repost, anywhere and everywhere, with a FAQ we are working on now about the idea ;) To Eric of In Depth... thank you for you input! :) I was not meaning to sound critical at all Eric, I had heard you all were up against some problems lately, and as I said, I am nothing if not patient :) Waiting my turn and time for a review does not bother me at all :) My only point was when folks have said this is your turf, as was said in this thread, and more explicitely in another inside the Merchants Forum, is that you all can barely keep up. Our wee grassroots effort would also suffer the exact same syndrome too, barely managing to keep up :) But if there are more hands manning the cannons, more shots get fired :) As in, more reviews maybe get done. I believe the plans at the moment are to continue explaining and answering questions, since alot of these questions are actually having me and others think of new ideas. This is great stuff here :) And then, compile all the "answers" worked out in these threads into a FAQ, post that to all forums that we can reach to post to, and again answer questions, then call a general public meeting for any and all who wish to attend to help us brainstorm out goals, and ideas, as well as "application" process ideas to join for those wishing to join :) A few points to make: We do not aim to beta test for others :) Each of you should still use your own beta testers. We would be willing to look over your "ready to put out to the public, or already in the public" product :) We do aim, each of us as far as I know who have directly been responsible for the initial ideas of the guild, to attempt to teach what we know to ALL who want to learn it, not just the chosen few, so that anyone who wants to learn to do better work may do so :) At first, things will be slow, and we face sore and severely determined opposition, who would rather discredit us than see anything of this nature arise. Someone earlier in one of the threads mentioned martyrs. Once, someone here told me that for all the times I throw myself onto the fire, I must be the reincarnation of Joan of Arc ;) My mother used to say to me, "Fools rush fearlessly in where angels fear to tread." Then later in my life, I learned to believe that to Allah, fear of dying in battle for what is right is a sin. If something is right, you go even to your own death, since there lies Paradise. To me, this has become that sort of thing over time, the Quality thing, as Quality levels have grown worse, and as store responsibility grew less and less, and vendor responsibility has grown less and less. A battle that I knew that if I took up fighting, I would metaphorically die to fight. Yet to not fight this fight would be a sin :) Do I feel fear? Yes. I am very very afraid. There are people today who have risen against me who hold power to remove me entirely for my efforts. Will I fight? I will go on fighting this battle, but I do not plan to be a martyr ;) This is right, and it is good, and it will win in the end. Sometimes, all it takes to win is being willing to show up. Today, those of you who have shown up, take my breath away.