hey I bought it at 85 bucks.

The included content is useless to me. I use k4 happily or m4 or v4 etc and see no problems with them.

I thought the potential "cloth sim" might have improved over 8.1, and it has, but it's still so slow to be unusable unless you have a very low poly garment - and then it's still slooooow. Compared to Poser offering Daz should be ashamed of it.

Ultimately.... my thoughts- we have to give DAZ a reason to keep developing Carrara.

Whing and moaning or deciding to boycott Carrara upgrades will just end up getting Carrara trashed.

Mind you it's easy for me to say as I have a job and income etc.

I wouldn't be suprised that after daz has played skim the market they will offer the upgrade cheaper without the m5 etc bundles.

At the moment though I have 8.5 I can't really see any reason not to use 8.1