LOL bloodsong! I usually only manage to make it here once a week or so, SOMEthing made me check in this morning! Yes, there has been long-standing confusion with our similarly-named apps, John developed CR2Editor and I did CR2Edit in ignorance of one another's efforts, and by the time we realized it, it was really too late to change. CR2Edit has been around for 3 years. CR2Editor, however, seems to have a 12MB file size limit, as CR2Edit4 did, so isn't usable with V2 files (CR2Edit5 is unlimited, I have opened 100MB files, 2 at once side-by-side) Another free alternative for straight editing is EditPad Lite, or BBEdit on the Mac. This being said, however, unless you are curious or on the hunt for new ways to manipulate files, there is no need to open a file in a text editor. CR2Edit5 has around 70 tools (I've lost count) to automatically mess with every type of Poser file, from cr2 to pz2 to obj(savedelete groupsmaterials, make tex templates). If interested, please try to get it thru my own site, so I don't have to pay the usual horrendous commission to Daz -- who, by the way, subsidized the developement cost of ver5, since they needed more tools to speed the production of Vicki2. Interface laid out by Micah Henry, lead artist at Daz, art by Rob Whisenant. Dan http://www.zenwareonline.com/cr2edit/cr2edit.html Sorry Win only for software http://www.zenwareonline.com for ZenPaint, ZenTile, ZenGrid and VueMaster