I use C8.1 daily and for hours. No rain for a few weeks means no yard to mow or floowbeds to weed. Meaning not a lot to do through the day.

I got wrapped up; mildly obcesed, with this scene. Started as a 50's style horror, but has turned to to seeing how many mil 4 figures and how many surface replicators I can have in a scene before carrara chokes on it. So far as long as I don't have all the replicator or all the people visable at the same time it's still easy to work. 

9 surface replicators. 5 with Lisa's plants, 2 with carrara trees, one with ken's birds and one with dragonflys; althought the dragonflys don't really show.

There's also 9 mil4 figures, 4 V4 and 5 M4, may add 2 more.

Now just what does that have to do with C8.5? The above is usually how I work on a scene. I'll get a bit obcessed with it till it gets boring; about built and going to hidef renders. But with C8.5 I never did that, it choked on this, errored out on that, this didn't work any more, that didn't work right, so in no short order I was too frustrated to work on a scene.

Going back to C8.1 was a breath of fresh air after working with C8.5 for 2 years. The biggest issue with C8.5 was genesis and autofit. You know, the big thing in C8.5 which is somehow suposed to make it worth $285.

If genesis and autofit was a plugin for C8.5 I wouldn't waste the money on it. It doesn't work well enough to gain any real advantage using it. Yes I miss how well G1 looked posed; if it didn't get wierd in the posing, everytime I pose a mil4 figure and get colapsed elbows; bent straw effect. Now genesis may bit a bit of an issue, but the big issue is auto"don't"fit.

We all know dresses are fairly well usless in autofit. Minishirts are fin but once a dress hits the knees autofit just screws it up. And I have a nice wardrobe of perido clothes for V4 that autofit mangels.

Shoes? G1 might as well run around barefoot; and just because I am all the time, doesn't mean I want my characters to be. Autofit just screws up shoes making them worse then useless in a scene. Yes you can fix them, but it take some time and effort.

But my top issue is with autofit's poke through. Backs out in the T pose and butts/hips out in most poses. And what is real funny is I have far more issues with mil4 clothes; what autofit is set by default to work with, then mil3 clothes; I bought the iconic shapes for G1 so I could use mil3 clothes. I have been tempted to buy the mil4 morphs for geneis to see if it fixes the issue. I fully beleive it would.

It seems part of the new DAZ marketing plan is to sell workarounds rather then fix issues. So I have no doubt buying the mil4 morphs for G1 will fix the issue with autofit. As in why buy the mil4 morphs for G1 when I don't need them to use autofit. Because you need them for autofit to work right with mil4 clothes. There is no profit in fixing autofit, the profit is in selling you the mil4 morphs for G1  to get sutofit to work right with mil4 clothes.

Lets look at some facts. It's well established G1 is out of production; and I'll keep saying that till it's verified or I'm proven wrong. So lets look at autofit. Out side of some bug fixs I may not be aware of, autofit hasn't changed since release 2 years ago. We; or at least I, have been waiting for the finished product. The one with the full selection when setting up. The one with the loose blouse setting, or extra baggy pants, the long dress, the common shoe, and so on.

Just because I am sure there are people that don't see the fun I have. see top; it's big. Oops, that hill side is suposed to have carrara trees