Thanks JoePublic, that is most helpful.

Re the extreme bend Erogenesis, I only posted it out of interst for what some people can do, it's not a 'normal' body position. I hate to think of her lower back and hips conditions when she is 60 !!!

To answer another comment, I use Pro 10,  I was about to take the redcued offer for 12 when 14 came out. I am giving that a few months to sort out glitches then take it. I have been working through each version of Poser snice they brought out 'FigureArtist' - 2006 I think.