Well, I'm not going to argue about this, but to me..Poppi's post doesn't imply that it's standard practice, only that she is afraid that it may be so. Be that as it may, even if it only happened once, that is one too many times. Not everything that goes on between admins or mods or whoever and the vendors is in the vendors forum. The same goes for any of these forums, not everything goes on in the threads. As I stated before, I have no reason to lie, I am not a liar by nature nor do I say things for the shock value or to stir the pot. I do not gossip.(at least not unfounded gossip) I would not have even mentioned the incident except I felt it was relevant to what was being discussed. Next time I won't say a word, I don't like being called a liar in a public forum. I did not say that anyone told any of the vendors to put crap in the stores...none of the vendors I buy from would do it anyway, they'd tell them where to put it if they tried to coherce them into doing that. I was merely stating that this is what appears to be the mentality of the marketplace, anyone can sell anything it seems. I am one of the fortunate ones, I have so far seemed to steer away from most of the less then quality items..but then I investigate as best I can the vendor before I buy. But some of the newbies don't have that luxury, or don't think about it, they assume that because it is in the marketplace and someone is asking money for it, that means it's good. Not any different then going to a store and paying money for a product, the customer does not think that the store would intentionally sell them something that is of substandard quality. It's a matter of trust and it's rapidly eroding in the marketplace and it's very hard to get that trust back. I could speak volumes about quality control and how important it is to a store, no matter where it is. It is important that the store and the vendor work hand in hand, they are on the same team. Every vendor is important, I don't care if they sell one item or ten. Everyone should be held to the same high standard of quality and if they can't, then they need to hone their skills until they can and then be excepted into the marketplace where people spend their hard earned money to support a hobby or a livelihood. Everyone should be given the same consideration, the same treatment the same perks no matter who you are or how much you sell. Anything more then that and then you are pandering to egos and creating resentment and suspicion among other vendors...and that resentment and suspicion spreads to the customers as they hear the complaints of the vendors. It's a vicious circle. I'm sure I'm not saying anything that those that are interested in this thread don't already know. One last thing and I'll close... sharing of knowledge is a wonderful thing. It is what turns a community into a family. Sharing what you know about your craft, whether it be modeling, texturing or how you created a particular render is a gift, not only to those that you share it with, but to yourself also, as you realize just how lucky you are that your talent is such that people want to learn from you. Sharing should come from the heart and not anyone's pocketbook nor should it be reserved just for those that are deemed worthy. It should be for all that thirst for the knowledge. Questor, I think I've been hanging with you way too much :) I agree with what you said..all of it. Pendy