I'm not upgrading to 8.5 and if 9 is one more (another) evolution designed to make C more like poser with basically nothing else, I'll skip 9 too.

C hasn't offered me personally hardly any new value since 7.  i haven't even started arguing the cost with myself since there isn't anything for me to buy.

i can setup my own light avatars without paying for the upgrade.

I've been working with C since the beginning of forever but maybe it's at the limits of its coding structure.

-Kix