BillTheFishFishyBill I would be careful of the words used in describing this model since a REAL WOMAN was scanned in order to get the mesh for Dina.. i know i would NOT like being called hideous ugly or unrealistic.. Now as to dina.. IF She was ugly as you claim.. (NOT saying she is or isn't..) devils advocate here.. If she was that ugly.. what would that compare to? hmmmm yeah Vicky.. comes to mind. who can be morphed into a pretty woman or ugly one as time and patience allows. Now i happen to like dina. Very natural.. easy to work with and i do think she is pretty.. Not ugly as you claim she is..then again i have a love hate relationship with vicky too