Thanks for the insight. This is the kind of info I need. I have been looking at Cinema 4DXL versus Lightwave or 3D Studio Max. C 4D is the least expensive and appears to have a fast rendering engine (and as a company is making a very concerted effort to improve the product), but I am yet unclear at how easy it will work with Poser...While LW and 3d Max have the plugins in pro pack. I also understand that LW has a more cumbersome workflow than others, but I am not in a high production environment, so that may be of less consideration. I welcome any comments by those more experienced...THANKS in ADVANCE!!!