"Me too": to set the record straight, a careful reading of the two sentences of my post will reveal that I neither endorsed nor panned the model, I simply stated that I thought dcort had turned a very nice phrase, and that I feel that the more alternative crayons an artist has, the better. If one truly believes that Vicki represents the complete box, then a lot of hard drive space could be saved by dumping Posette, Eve, etc etc. Dan http://www.zenwareonline.com/cr2edit/cr2edit.html Sorry Win only for software http://www.zenwareonline.com for ZenPaint, ZenTile, ZenGrid and VueMaster