I think what DSI and DCort were striving for with Dina was to get away from the "idealized" or "perfect" woman: thus the approach was taken of scanning a model, a real woman: This is not a (::chuckle::) "big fat lie". I'd also like to add that when gifted artists like Jim Burton and DCort introduce their characters to market, they do not lessen each other, it is we who are collectively enriched by their efforts. However, when others skulk about by assuming a new identity to product bash, we ALL become... how can I say this...amused. Displaying any avatar without hair, for example, does not enhance their "beauty". It is for this very reason that wigs are made and sold, because the same holds true for women the real world (at least in our culture). These derogatory efforts are simply childish and transparent. I freely admit that dCort is a friend and an artist I respect, and the value of this model is superb. The work on the joint params and the overall modelling is absolutely superb. If she doesn't appeal to a user, my advice to the user would be simply not to buy her. However, purchasing and using a 3D product is really the only way to see if that product performs correctly and as advertised.There have been times I've been dissapointed with purchases, and far more times where I thought I'd paid too little. As one of the beta testers, I've seen this character's development, and the amount of work and refinement that went into her is absolutely staggering. No character, no avatar, is going to be perfect; no model will be "one size fits all". It is the sheer variety of characters available that makes Poser so appealing. This is truly a case, I think, where beauty lies in the eye of the beholder.