ok. mazak, now look at the two pics you provided - even though she has an insanely high poly count, much higher than vicky's, she doesnt even have half the detail that vicky does. and when you are comparing models, its not right to post images with postwork. the image of SMV i posted above is a direct poser render without a smudge of postwork - yet i see postwork clearly on your image. i expect those 'lucky' ones who have beta-tested dina to bleat nothing but praise for her - of course youre biased, and so you should be. but respect the opinions of those who disagree, for this is a discussion forum. those such as 'billythefish' have just as much right to post their opinions and thoughts as you do, and shouldnt be attacked for it.