And now to you Styxx old pal. {{{{you are/were involved in the in-house guild, and proud and supportive of it in the beginning. this guild is by-invitation-only, sales-related membership, so this above statement by you is hypocrisy.}}}} No dear. I was put into it the same way you, and everyone else was. Just told we were there. That we should be proud, great things were coming down the pike. I was NOT involved in the formation of it, the idea of it, the basis of it's membership status, being invitation only. This is what I am referring to. I would NEVER be involved in choosing to make something invitation only, if I were the one doing the planning. I fought a VERY hard fight to make that guild NOT invitation only, in the Administrators Forum, to no avail. The decisions on what it was were made by tammymc, Vette, and whomever else does these things. I was not listened to, nor consulted. Still... just like us all, I waited to see if great things came of it, if it had some real purpose, if it grew into a good thing. That is no crime and it is no sin, patience, and waiting to see. Unfortunately, another than what I told them it was at the time they announced it in the admin forum, just another best sellers list, it has not been anything. So... stop looking to pick a fight, it profits you and me nothing :)