well, hem, considering all this (gosh!) Am i right to say that DINA is like a "young" bottle of bordeaux, she may become better when she will be older and when people will make as much stuff as vicky or posette have(remind me the beginning of vicky) ? first look ugly (i am sorry, but it is), but will she change as you promised ? it seems to me that she was built for advanced users (professionnal animations ?), because of the high resolution and the so precise morphs and joints she allows. i am a hobby user (hem...) and i wonder if i am qualified to use it... Vicky and posette have her defaults, obviously, but it is easy to have personnaly-satisfying results when you use them, because of the huge range of morphs, clothes, text, etc... no need of precision or polygons, when you are not building morphs or realistic clothes or so ! The advanced jp are valuable when you want realistic poses, but it is the same, is so much precision necessary for beginners or low-skilled hobbyists like your humble servitor (average translation from french !) ? My conclusion is that i will wait and see, maybe dina is a bet on the future, maybe every day users can take the best of her, but i think that now you need to be experienced to use DINA and that i will continue to have fun with Vick 1,2 SMMV and P4 female for the moment. this is not argumentation in the debate, just opinion