one last thing that I forgot to mention, Daz3d sponsers contests every now and then. When you enter one of them you will get a $10 gift certificate (just for entering) good towards your purchase of vicky & mike (when the time comes) I think that you can even save them up and combine them for a bigger discount. the current contest they have going is a calender contest and all you need to do is use a daz product in the image. You already have several Daz products such as the lion, the curly comforming hair, the list goes on...