> Quote - This assumes most people have PP2014, which they don't.  > > WW has been around for quite a while now. > > The cloth room has been around even longer. > > What percentage of end users do you suspect use the cloth room?  > > I see the fitting room more as a tool to assist vendors in clothing creation and making their clothing available to more figures (if they choose), than I see it as being a tool for the end users to not have to support vendors. Because as MeatSim's post suggests, more people are willing to pay for instant results than they are willing to invest time and energy (and frustration) in making something fit what they want it to fit.  > > When you have a project with a deadline, how much of your time are you willing (or able) to invest in converting content just to get one scene completed? Especially in the freelance world, you often get a project and a deadline of a couple days. It can take that long just to set up a scene the right way.  > >  ~Shane

Most of the end users aren't willing to move beyond Load, Conform, "Make Art".  There's a poll up on RNDA asking what they used Poser for and over 70% said they used it for making stills with 1 figure.  And there is nothing wrong with that; this is a hobbyist market after all. 

However, I am moving beyond NVIATWAS and I am tired of being held back by the luddites.  The correct answer to "Can you help me with this Poser 7 problem?" is "Yes I can - get a copy of Poser 10 or 2014 and RTFM."  Lots of tools have been added to Poser to address common items like poke-thru, but the users won't use them.

How many people use the cloth room?  Not enough - once a user realizes how easy it is, they do tend to kick themselves for not going into the room sooner.

On the other hand - I didn't know I could use the walk designer to have a character walk around a set, save each of the frames as a universal pose until last month.  SHAZAM! I now have huge library of poses available for any of my characters in less time than it would take me to make more than 1 or 2 poses.  It is amazing what you can learn from others, or god forbid, crack the manual.

As far as the fitting room, you are as wrong as a soup sandwich; SM has stated repeatedly that they added it for end-users to separate clothing from figures. 

See attached promo image for a pose set I converted from V4 to Dawn - tunic & pants were converted in less time than it took me to recolor the tunic and badge.  And it fits better on Dawn than the original product fits on V4. 

I am willing to pay for native content for the figures that I use.  The problem is that for the past 9 years vendors have whined repeatedly in this forum and others:

"I am a artist.  I only make what I am interested in making - which is skankwear for Victoria 3/4.  Why isn't every one buying what I am making, don't they understand that I am an artist."  They are aggressively unwilling to do market research to find out just what the marketplace is actually looking for. 

I am using characters for the following meshes in my graphic novels:

Female Characters: All SM figures (P4 - P10), Miki 1,2,3 & 4, Mariko, Dawn, The Girl, Antonia, Kez, Maya Doll, Michelle, Terai Yuki 2, the DAZ figures have a few walk-ons.  Oh, and maybe Eroko, if she isn't tied up for someone. :biggrin:

**Male Characters: ** All SM figures (P4 - P10), Adman, Apollo Maximus, Koz, Rikishi, along with with the occasional DAZ Gen 3 & 4 male figures.

Without the fitting room or a WW/Xdresser/morphing clothes combo, I couldn't do this - I would be stuck with the DAZ Gen4 figures - everyone would be the exact same height, and would all look the same - mostly caucasians with large mammalian protruberances.