I usually avoid posting in the DS vs Poser fight fests by almost any means possible but I just have to say that I wonder, if DAZ is triving so muchwith DS and the Genesis figures why do you feel the need to come into the POSER forum and try to convert people? Why not stay in the DAZ forums or the DS forum on this site and be happy, just let us old farts die out naturally... asuming that IS what's happening. That way we can all have useful conversations about our programs of choise without the constant inturruptions and annoyances?