I have both and have my filters in both. I have an older photo shop and Illustrator, with these I can create anything I want. When I interned which went with my course I had to make objects besides using Front Page and other web design products. It was fun. I was there a couple of months while the entire course was 3 months. To take the course you needed to have the basics at least. Making a front page for a newspaper with pictures. Mine was about these people operating a haunted hose. People disappeared. Everytime I see some uniforms in poser I want to buy ; but my wife wants to cut spending for awhile. It does get exspensive. I am writing a new story and making pictures for it. I have a lot of pics in my renderosity gallery.Thank you for the back and forth