That a valid point Cin, and one reason why such a thing as quality control would be good. In the end with this sort of thing though, there are ways to test that don't involved guilds. This and other sites have such facilities already built into them. The forums, the freestuff. It's not hard to find people who will be more than happy to help you, to test your files, to talk to, to help you. It's this that puzzles me but I promised Mehndi that I'd hold off and I will do that. I can see what you're saying and it's true. It would be nice if there was some way to guarantee quality of an item before purchasing it. That in a way is what reviewers are for and InDepth are starting down that path, even DAZ are willing to let people review their products and that's quite a feather in InDepth's cap. I personally use people I know from this and other forums to test my stuff before I release it into a freestuff area. I have a character out at the moment being tested that I'm quite proud of and with any luck it'll be worthy of freestuff. I can understand the need for quality control and it is reassuring to know that some such system were in place. There are lots of proviso's for that though, lots and lots and lots that must be answered before something like that could be accepted and recognised by the community at large and vendors in particular. There has been too much of a certain type of behaviour over the last few months and there are some serious questions to answer to make sure that certain types of behaviour do not continue, will not occur and how certain attitudes will be "policed". Anyway. Yes, quality control would be good. That way there wouldn't be a need for anyone to post in any forum "I bought this and it's bleeding awful!" It would be nice too if customers made sure they read the onscreen and text documentation when they purchase something but it's not a perfect world I suppose. Vendors will question a "quality control" system very strenuously and will be wary of it for more reasons than just that it might call their goods into question. There's always going to be people who will hurl the accusation "You only object because you promote the existence of crap in the stores" when that is blatantly untrue when used against people with valid concerns and worries about their own products that ARE of high quality. There are lots of other issues in question as well so it's not just that vendors don't like the idea, they're genuinely concerned about a number of issues. A lot of people haven't responded to this thread who could have because they don't want anyone to think they're attacking Mehndi, her idea or being "against quality". This is a shame because I know some of those people don't intend that at all and are staying quiet for all the wrong reasons. A quality control concept really needs to be torn apart from every possible angle, it must have everyone rip it to shreds, accuse the originators of the foulest of motives and ideals and principles. Not because it would start a nice fun flame war but because the people involved with quality control will be on the front line and come under fire from consumers and vendors alike when something screws up. If they can't take the heat in a thread like this, they're never going to survive as quality control inspectors. There are so many factors involved that it's impossible for me to detail them here. And I'm not going to start voicing opinions and asking questions again. I'm reserving those. G We do need a quality control system otherwise people of lesser principle than you will sell what they think is "great" but is in fact utter garbage because without a level of quality stated it's impossible to refuse even the most simplistic objects. A tube with a ball on top could be sold as a pedestrian crossing lamp but no work has gone into it, yet there is nothing wrong with it. Even if I paid 1 dollar for something like that I'd be seriously pissed. :) Having said that, there might be people out there who would happily pay 5 dollars for that tube and sphere - if the textures are good, there is a certain level of detail, a certain level of "quality". See what I mean? Quality standards must exist, as must a logical standard of goods and value for money. Quality is good, arbitrary judgement is bad. Whooo, that was harder to write than I expected. I kept having to backspace so as not to break my word about asking questions. G