Thanks for nice words guys. I think I like the original too. Just fooled around with upper one. Its more abstract than "image", I agree. APFrey, I know what you mean, and I agree. BUT, its nice to say "I used Photoshop to do this image." For me, Photoshop is like tool, I like to work with it. But, again, I agree you. I shoot this with my old Canon AE-1, and if I remember right, film was Agfa 200. It worked surprisingly good with so bright light. AND, Alpha, I was really surprised when nominated for AOM. But, like so many times before, Poser folks will claim the pot. There are so many Poser renderers who are good friends, so rest of us dont have a change to be AOM. There are really beautiful pics tough, but still, would like to see 2D-artists there too. .n