As you can see, you folks think you are explaining yourself plainly, and I may see your posts as aggressive and acromonious. I think I am explaining plainly, and you see another thing. So we are all in the same boat. As to being fired, no, let me again attempt to clarify that matter. I was fired for the fact that when a rumour of the very very grassroots beginnings of this effort got leaked to the administration of this site, JeffH took issue with it up to and including a threat made by himself, repeatedly, to ban anyone he could locate who was involved. He then settled down to watch for anything that would look like this, so when I then made a post quite some time later that some folks were in the process of creating what at first was maybe a joke, called the Free Market, but now is very serious and could change the world so to speak we hope... he then pounced on that like a duck on a junebug and again began repeatedly threatening to ban, and who knows what else, since he said he had his "finger on the trigger". This to me is VERY alarming. That a person of such animosity in general and such abuse of power is in administration. I have complained repeatedly for months, as have others, of abuse of power by JeffH in the privacy of the "correct way" to do it, but nothing was ever done, except to try to silence me and to act as if it is me or others with the problem for doing the complaining, despite the fact his abuses of power have been perpetrated for months in front of all in the administrators forum. So, knowing full well that it would result in me being fired, I can no longer stand by and watch someone with that much power acting like that, and "blew the whistle" on him in public, and quoted what he has said, and the threats he has made. So the "official" reasons that tammymc gave for firing me seemed to be twofold in her letter she sent. That I had revealed to all the fact that JeffH is acting out. And that I was involved in this movement, which she feels is me making trouble for her store. Pity that. If it makes trouble for her store, then her store was in trouble already perhaps. Which brings me to another issue. People have asked over and over why this is not being done inside Renderosity, all this checking, testing, making sure everything is done right, etc etc etc, why we are not trying to "help" or whatever in some way Renderosity to get it right. The facts are that we have. And our quality concerns have been shoved under the table, over and over and over, and I have even been literally told, "worry about teaching someone how to do better later, this needs to be released now..." by one of the administrators. We were even forbade for ages and ages to make any commentary, tell anyone what might be wrong with their model or submission at all, unless it fell within that narrow list of things Renderosity checks for. Only after fighting to the point I was black and blue all over did I manage to even so much as gain the "right" for testers to make any comments in such a way as to help folks to make a better model, and that took a knock down dragout. So seeings as the battle has been lost, we move on to the war, so to speak, in a TOTALLY metaphorical way. This is not a site war, just to remind you. This is however going directly to the root of the problem, and trying to gather the artists themselves into a high quality initiative, and get them behind it, since it has proven to be impossible while I was a store tester to get anything done internally about it.