"One other note, a large number of the people speaking so harshly against this idea have an agenda, as most of you are probably aware. They either work for Renderosity as testers, or somewhere else. So this must seem to them to be a personal attack on their testing abilities. It is NOT." I have no agenda, other then to make sure to my satisfaction that what is being proposed is not yet another attempt by someone to split the community or make yet more money off of the users. If you want to call that an agenda, then done and done. So your assertion is that a large number of the posters have an agenda..that's pretty arrogant isn't it? Assuming that just because people are questioning, not attacking, but questioning and possibly disagreeing with you that they have an agenda? Maybe they just don't like what they hear, for no other reason then they just don't like the way it sounds, period. But stating that they have an agenda makes it so much easier to dismiss them and try to discredit them then answer their questions honestly...or just agree to disagree. I have full and complete confidence in my testing abilities, I don't need someone to pick on or to bash to know that I'm good at testing, because sweetie, trust me I am THAT good. So no agenda there either. Arrogance is such a fun thing, isn't it? Or is that confidence? I'm not sure :) You say you are staying, yet in the next breath you explain why you must not do it here. Okay...I thought that if someone started another site that meant they were leaving this site and doing what they could do here over there...I've been taking way too many drugs I guess. I have no clue why you place so much stock on the word "guild" or "seal" they are just words and have no real meaning if there is no substance behind them. It's as if by you using those words, it will automatically give those that are running it consumer confidence or the right to judge what is worthy of this "seal" by the "guild". In the end, all it is is just another bunch of humans that have rendered a decision, that's all, call it for what it is. It will not make me buy anything or think less of anyone. It will not give me more confidence, because in the end, unless you do have a store, it won't be you providing customer service or handling complaints, it will still be the store, the vendors that they are associated with. So for me and I'm sure others, the "guild seal of approval" will be nothing more then just another bunch of testers testing a product and telling me what they think of it. The fact that you and others are vendors themselves and can model or texture will really not make an iota of difference to me...UNLESS...I as a consumer already have confidence in you or whomever is testing that product. Then and only then will I think that you might actually know what you are talking about. It might at that point carry a bit of weight..but you will NOT make it or break it when it comes to my decision about buying a product...so..down girl with the ego, okay? About you being relieved of your duties here. From what I understand in your postings is that you did in fact reveal private information into a public forum. Even after you gave your word that you would not do so (the old it's a private forum and what is here stays here kinda thing) so you in a way, abused the power that you were given while privy to those forums. Unless of course everything that you say that he said was in emails, site mails or messages, then all bets are off of course. This is one reason why I have to look at what you say with some cynicism, you have already broken a trust. I wonder why you needed to do so, when you could have very well talked privately about it to your myriad of friends, aquaintences etc...I just don't understand that. Just like this whole guild thing. Why didn't you just go do it? Why did you feel the need to holler it from the rooftops so to speak as if you were riding in to be a saviour on a white horse to save the community from the sub-quality merchandise etc....and oh of course gone are the days that people have to prove their worth to the community..it's okay if you are a vendor and want to sell even if you have never given anything in freestuff etc..an apprenticeship so to speak, guilds are familiar with that sort of thing....I see no word of encouragement there, no building of integrity and honor and the need to build the community back up to what it was even a year ago, people coming in and building their reputation via freestuff and then honing their skills and then going into a store. Instead what I am reading it's all about money, "help them sell more" "get them make more money"....nothing at all about what a guild truely is. An exchanging of information and knowledge for no other reason other then a job well done...heck no, let's do it for the money.....because that is what matters, it's okay if we do it for the money as long as we say the stuff is quality. What is going to save the 3dcommunity is the installation of values, credit where credit is due, do not steal other people's stuff just so you can get into the store and sell sooner...that is the cancer that is eating away at the 3d community on the whole. If the only reason that you and whomever want to start this guild is to help others just so they can make more money then yes, I'm sorry I have to question the honor and the integrity of the people behind it. Your guild should be to help and foster where you can; not only to instill quality but also integrity and honesty and the meaning of doing a good job, being true mentors that show not only how to make a living from what you love, but to love the community that you make a living from. Not everyone that does good work sells everything that they make, some still give away for free. They remember what it was like when they first started out...what they took from others that gave freely, and the advice that they received. They remember what it was like to pay their dues and earn respect. Some will still make you a model if you ask and ask for nothing in return, no dollar signs flash in their eyes. You also teach these things to those you want to help, then yes, I will call you a Guildmember and have some respect for you. Deb