Actually that is the sort of stuff I love to do. If you look on the DAZ forum I was one of the ones doing all the expermanting/testing of the C8.5 beta. If DAZ hadn't decided to try to mine gold from carraraests over a .5 update, I'd still be doing that. As it stands, till I opened carrara to check the plany factory export, I hadn't opened carrara in months.