Quote - > Quote - " If a vendor has released something for Poser and the items is intended for Poser, then it should be used in Poser period. Again, you are putting demands on the vendor that are not fair at all."

I agree sir
for us end users who have no intention of ever rendering in poser itself
it is up to us to find poser/DAZ, purpose built content, that will work best in our programs.. or make our own.

No different than me harvesting free Sketchup models from the google 3D warehouse
and exporting them from Sketchup pro , to use in C4D.
Some render fine and some are useless crap (without a complete retopo)

Either way no responsibility ,for its compatibility with C4D, falls upon the original sketchup artist.

Cheers

Well, I AM paying for the demands I place on a vendor. Now if they don't think what i pay is worth it, nothing I can do. But if I had to buy a pair of pants from a tailor made for a person a size smaller than me, then I had to alter to pants to fit me, I probably wouldn't buy pants from that tailor very long.

If you would be a custom made item, sure, you can place any demand on the vendor. But if you buy a mass produced item, you cannot place any demands on a vendor at all.... the products is as is and you have to make sure it's working for what you want it to be for. If a vendor says it's for Poser and you want to use in DS then the work is on your shoulders, not on the vendor.

I do create my items with Poser in mind. Poser allows me to use a good number of modeling features, but not all. This has nothing to do with topology at all and that is what some fail to understand. Some of these modeling features do not work in DS at all, DS does not support them. To get the same result in DS, I have to model completely differently and avoid a number of features my modeling application offers me. This has nothing to do with topology at all, it has everything to do with how the end application interprets the data given to it in the object file. Yes, I can export models to .obj and while Poser will read them fine, I can make DS crash in mere seconds. Same goes for Vue, an item can work fine in both DS and Poser, but can sent Vue off into a crash...... in spite of the the topolgy being perfect.

So, I clearly state whith what application my items do work. If you want to use them with something else, then sure you can try, but there is no guarantee it will work at all. A few of my products I do offer for Poser & DS and seperately for Vue. Why? Because I know that Vue cannot handle some stuff.

And I can tell you that this isn't happening to me only.... some of the big names in the Poser world have models that work fine in Poser & DS, but have major issues in Vue.

Back to your pants..... your reasoning would be true if you bought tailor made pants for yourself or one size fits all. But that's not the case.... you are in a shopping mall and it's up to you to find the size that fits you! You cannot blame the manufacturer for buying a size that doesn't fit you and you have to alter it. No, you have to make sure you get the size you need. I offer Poser sizes..... Poser & DS sizes..... Vue sizes..... that's it. If you want to use it in Maya..... sorry, I don't offer that size. If you buy Poser size and want to use it in DS or Vue.... sorry, you bought the wrong size. Buy the size you need and if you want to use it beyond, you're going to have to do some aternation.

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**You simply cannot place any demands on a vendor, since you buy a ready made product and that comes as is. You don't buy a vacuum cleaner and complain to the vendor that it doesn't make coffee now, do you? No of course not, you cannot place that demand on the vendor of the vacuum cleaner at all. It's a ready made product with certain use in mind. If you want it to make coffee, be prepared to make some (huge) alterations. Same with items you buy in the marketplace here, or anywhere else..... they are ready made products, as is, with a certain purpose in mind and the customer cannot demans anything at all from the vendor, unless it's not working for that it was intended for!

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk