Krel, you do not have to have Vicki. Dina is a completely new figure designed by DSI. As such, the P4 clothes will not work on her, but we are discussing doing a P4 conversion like Natalia and Vicki2 have. Most hair works fine on her with a bit of scaling. Same with shoes, although some will not conform perfectly because of her different joint parameters. P4 poses work pretty well with Dina with minor tweaking. Although you will have the same problem with fingers as P4 poses with Vicki do. Some of the finger joints are set +- the opposite way, so if the pose has bent fingers they will be bending the wrong way. Mazak says he did no postwork on Dina's joints for his images, but did do some filter work to soften the overall image. Can't swear to no postwork on Dacort's images, but I doubt he did much on the joints either. If you look at the ad images in the store at thegrc or renderotica, for both Dina herself and my texture for her, you will see Dina in a variety of positions. I did those images myself and none of them have ANY postwork to the figure itself. Only the hair has been touched up. You truly do not ever have to do much postwork on her, her joints are that good! Diane