Forum: DAZ|Studio


Subject: Questions about Genesis

Black__Days opened this issue on Mar 29, 2014 · 93 posts


Male_M3dia posted Mon, 31 March 2014 at 7:15 AM

Quote -  And no, S3 is a stand alone figure, not a morph of V3. S4 is a morph of V4 though.

S3 and V3 are derived from the same mesh, so really they could be morphs of each other. The difference is each has different rigging, so it was an extra burden for content developers to create clothing for each as you had to do two sets of rigging... hence the consolidation of meshes in Gen4 and now Genesis.

Quote - This is why so many developmental companies are releasing schlock now a days, people are not only more excepting of it, but will jump up and defend the company for producing it. No Studio wont ever be perfect, but with out people motivating DAZ to do better, Studio wont be any better ether. I'm sure DAZ thanks you every day for releaving them of the responcability of fixing their broken apps. Sure saves them expences and bumps up thier profit. Especially when they can make further profit off selling workarounds which people are more inclined to buy rather then motivate DAZ to fix anything.

I skipped over the other non-essential stuff because it really boils down to this. Autofit was originally created to ease transition to Genesis, not to enable you to magically use your content in place of Genesis clothing. You had no such facility when you transitioned to Gen3 or Gen4. And other solutions worked worse than autofit. I remember not being able to use pants from Gen3 on gen 4 because they all put a nasty split up the crotch that required an external modeller to fix, but I was generally able to autofit the same pants to Genesis with little issue.

The problem with autofit is that people feel now they're entitled to magically reuse clothing from older generations for free when they never had that capability at all.

You're not.

Once you realize what autofit really is for, then you realize that yes, you have to let go of your Gen4 clothing and purchase clothing for the figure it was made for, otherwise you have to put in the extra work to use it, and stop griping. If you want to keep you older investment, you're going to have to put in the work to keep it... DAZ is all about selling new content, nothing new there... autofit just confused you about its purpose.

We're two generations in Genesis and the focus isn't on Gen4 compatiblity, it's on Genesis. If you can't get past that, then either you need to learn to fix issues or go back to Gen4. Being negative about the fact that you feel DAZ won't help you reuse your content for free isn't going to help one bit. If you're going to use your dresses and shoes from Gen 4 without isssue, then you're going to have to toss autofit and learn how to rig with the Transfer Tool and edit weightmaps... then learn how to do fits so you don't get the boob shrink.... because Gen 1 isn't going to get better than what it is now that we're on Gen2... which clothing has less of boob shrink than gen 1 since clothing is based on the female shape. Or you have to invest in PA tools to help with your reuse quest.

Frankly I don't understand the gross animosity you have on DAZ figures. Like Razor said, if it bothers you that much, then you should probably be looking at some other solution and delete your DAZ stuff from your runtime. It's probably a lot healthier than what you're doing now. 

I realize the limitations of autofit and work around them, but then I have external tools to put my clothing in a state so autofit works better and I get a better result from the clothing I use. I also get a better result from using the Transfer tool in place of autofit and use that sometimes over autofit. But most of all, I use clothing for the figure that it was intended, which is Genesis where possible, because that's where the focus of development from DAZ and the vendors are.