Quote - So, you seem to think that you have the whip hand, instead of realizing that every time you chase away a member is a failure for you. Soon you will have no one left. No one need to ban me. It is enough to know I am not an asset. So good bye I wish you good luck.

I didn't get that AT ALL from what he said.  This response seems a little melodramatic.  

I truly believe that they simply do not realize what is being lost.  Or realize that what is being lost is actually an asset.  (Ends justify etc.)

They are not the gestapo for crying out loud, just humans trying to do a job.  The debate here is about the best way to do that job.  Which there are many different valid opinions on.  It's not something to take personally as an end user.  

Ambient,  I stopped posting here regularly a loooooong time ago.  There was a certain cat lady that was fairly active on the forums at the time and she managed to imo manipulate the moderators pretty successfully.  During this time there were many threads that lost responses to counter her attacks, while her posts remained.  That is when I began to get a bad taste in my mouth for what was going on.  I don't think you were a moderator at the time, I don't think Basic was either.  My memory sucks.  I definitely can't remember the thread name.  

So my personal experience is not with any current moderator.  Exept in that our opinions on the methods differ greatly.  I struggle  because things are taken so darn personally on the internet and I have NO issue whatsoever on a personal level with any of the moderators.  So it's tough to say "I disagree with the way you are doing things" without it being taken as a personal affront.  

I still see what is happening when I come here to read, when even more rarely I come here to post.  I get involved in these conversations  because I have a special place in my heart for this community and I retain the hope that one day it might again be what it once was.  Unfortunately I still only see people so steadfast in insisting that their way is the only right way that it's not looking good.  (On both sides mind you).  People completely unwilling to acknowledge that it is very unlikely that they are 100% right, therefore acknowledging that some percentage of what the other side says has merit.  

It is very very clear, to less inundated eyes, that the censoring is driving the forum into the dust.  Like I said in my previous post, you still have your percentage that like what it is and want it to stay that way, they vocally support this.  The ones who don't in large part have left.  I believe that the minority have won out.  

Hard world facts are that forums are not democracies.  So que sera sera.  It does not matter one single bit what I want, what I think is best, how I think it is best achieved.  What does matter is what the site owers think, or you moderators.  I continue to hope that the conclusion will be reached at some point that activity is of high import and possibly some acknowledgment of reasons that it may have fallen off.

I am:  aka Velocity3d