arrow1 opened this issue on Apr 30, 2014 · 82 posts
moriador posted Fri, 02 May 2014 at 12:44 AM
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Why Daz only includes the gens in the pro bundles I cannot say. The payment processer reasoning makes no sense, as Daz accepts credit cards and Paypal, and you can buy porn with a credit card and Ebay (which is owned by Paypal) sells adult sex toys. But perhaps Daz is using a third party merchant account from a local bank. Who knows what kind of restrictions they have?
You can not buy porn with Paypal, if they find out a merchant is using it, they will lock their account and freeze their funds. I know of a site that tried and pretty much lost a few grand, and that was two years ago and still no resolution. Visa has also gotten pretty restrictive with what they will allow too; renderotica lost their payment processing for about a month over some of the promotional renders and gallery postings. They were already paying a higher rate through because of their status and had to use a specialized payment processor. They didn't get the processing back until several products were removed from the store and renders removed from the gallery. DAZ doesn't want that distinction as if they had it, they could no longer offer Paypal for payments or would have to use specialized payment processor. I'm guessing they would rather err to the side of caution to keep their choice of payment processors wider by not allowing certain things or bundling certain items in more expensive packs so that it's not the focus of a product and it's acceptable by the processor.
I said you can buy porn with a credit card, and you can buy adult sex toys from Ebay with Paypal. I didn't say you could buy porn with Paypal because you're right. I don't think you can.
That said, Renderotica had pose sets for rape and torture scenes. And hundreds of images of sexual torture in their galleries and advertising their products. They were extreme. Even I found them offensive and troubling, and that's saying something.
RDNA, Renderosity, and others regularly sell sets (cheap sets) including improved genital morphs, and feature full frontal nudity and close-ups of these genitals in product promo pics. Galleries here and elsewhere permit full frontal nudity. And have you seen some of the stuff you can get prints off at DeviantArt? :D :D
I'm pretty sure that payment processors know the difference between nudity and sexual violence. We know Daz is based in Utah and somewhat more uptight about their "image" than other marketplaces. That is their preference, and entirely their choice. But let's not pretend they are totally liberal in their attitudes towards nudity and sexually stimulating images, cuz they just ain't. :D
I think it's not so much about location and more about making sure they can keep selling. If your business depends on payments, then you make sure you do things in order to keep it. However they do from time to time have loftier plans about who they want to sell to, for instance when they wanted to have DAZ Studio in schools to teach about 3D, so products showing nudes would be geared toward who they want to sell to, not so much a prudish stance. You'd be more in a position to do that if your store was set up a set up so that it appeals to more people. Not to say that some of their products aren't skimpy, but for the most part it's set up so they're not at the mercy of payment processors that handle sites that get an adult designation.
However the OP wanted more information on M6-V6 not genitals and the such so we should probably keep the converstion steered towards that.
I don't know. The OP might very well be interested in whether or not the gens are included in the basic V6/M6 set. Even if OP isn't, other users who read this thread with similar questions might be.
But I absolutely agree that they probably aren't interested in a debate about the merits of taking a particular "moral" stance in your business decisions. Daz does what it does. It does not stop me from buying their products, and in the end, that's what matters. I don't always agree with everything you or Zev0 say, but your products are quality work. Philosophical agreement isn't necessary in a free market. :)
PS: Maxim HD is an awesome character, btw.
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