Allie, People just don't like getting pushed around, it's that simple. They come to a site often enough that they form an emotional attachment to the interaction. When that is upset the reaction is going to be strong. A forum belongs to it's membership no matter what anyone says about their ownership. What is a forum without members? Just HTML. Should we put up with double standard rules, censorship and general lack of personal respect just because a site administrator holds the key to our clubhouse? No one enjoys being the victim of a power tripper. This isn't a feud between two forum sites it just that the victims of a certain site admin are piling up so high that they've begun to speak. They know that they are free to do so on this site without reprisals. I've seen it all happen from the inside and out, I know what I'm talking about. -Jeff H.