Nance, I just looked at your lighting tutorial thing... http://worldzone.net/art/nance/softlight_tutorial/SoftlightTutorial-Nance00.html In case anyone else wants to look at it. I wish I were at home so that I could try some of that... I already cheat and parent and point my lights to/at props to get them pointing where I want them more easily... I usually use a ball and just make the ball invisible and position it to where I want the lighting to be centered. I'm going to have to try scaling the ball and see what happens.