Vue 8.... that's old stuff :) Vue has improved... a lot. Comparing Vue 8 and Vue 2014 is like comparing Poser 4 and Poser 2014 ;) Days of that slowness are gone!

As for Octane..... it's called demo :) From that demo is was obvious what my investment would need to be on the machine I use poser on, but that's not the only machine I do have :)

Artwork and 3DToons items, create the perfect place for you toon and other figures!

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/index.php?vendor=23722

Due to the childish TOS changes, I'm not allowed to link to my other products outside of Rendo anymore :(

Food for thought.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZw0dfLmLk