The problem is I have repeatedly, through the years tried to get carraraest to unite to pressure DAZ in to fixing carrara. Hasn't worked, carraraests seem to be very individual people. I have done what I can. I was arguing with DAZ sales/support for 3 days. They wanted to give me a refund, I told them I wanted the carrara I paid for. When I was on the DAZ carrara forum I cut DAZ no slack. I pointed out issues, and gripped about bugs. What this got me was reported by fellow carraraests. 

I'm off the carraracafe because fellow carraraest are so fed up with me complaining about the issues with C8.5 and genesis{ that they have no interset in} that some one got mean, vindictive and abused their powers as a forum mod. And there in lies the problem. A lot of carraraests didn't get C8.5, there for don't use genesis or G3F/M, so don't care how bad C8.5 is or that it doesn't do what it was build to do.

I was banned from the DAZ forum for telling someone not to invest in genesis because genesis was dead, DAZ wasn't developing it. That was what? better then a year ago. Once again I was right. DAZ has not done anything to update genesis since it's release 4 years ago{?}. So I got banned from the DAZ forum for telling the truth. Certainly not something DAZ wants prospective new customers to know.

DAZ's cure for issues with carrara is to ban people that complain about them. Or atleast pull the posts. The DAZ carrara forum is little more then a propaganda machine. And the main posters there just contribute to the propaganda.

It's my opinioin C8.5 was the worst selling build of carrara to date. DAZ didn't see a profit in it so axed carrara development; no C9. And wont say as much as long as carraraests are still shoping at DAZ.

What to do? Shop at DAZ, buy stuff, return it with an explanation that they don't work in carrara. Now here is what will get DAZ's attantion, get cash back on your retrun, not a voucher. Vouchers don't take money out of DAZ's wallet.

Now I am about to dump 30 days of purcheses on DAZ sales and suport and ask for a cash refund.