All valid points on all sides... will it ever be settled? I sincerely doubt it. Is there a time and place for such discussion/fire starting? Yes. It's called the Complaint Corner. Time: at everyone's leisure. Why: while speaking Our Minds is very Welcomed, it, like ALL THINGS IN LIFE, is not for everyone. Please, this the NEWS Forum, not the Complaint Forum. Please use them as they are intended. I truly thank you. ed (one of the boys hosting this shin dig)