A lot of things "are bad for business" JeffH...but they are still bad nevertheless..... kennect...I retract my statement, seems I have missed "some" clues after all and when I do I have no problem ohning up....MikeJ, I was not aware of some of this....that sucks. Nevetheless Mike and with all due respect....as much as I think this sucks and as much as you are my friend....I still can't bring myself to wish them to be totally gone....I think if we were to start piling up all the bad things that sucked of ALL forum history ALL AROUND they too have had their share of misery which may well have led to much of the dissention that caused all these other bad things that suck which by no means makes these other things that suck okay cause there is just no excuse for a bad sucky things but one bad sucky thing leads to another bad sucky thing sometimes....um...er....I can see that I am really not making much sense....that sucks too....so maybe I need to stop and think..... (some damn seagull just shit on my car windsheild when I went out to the store...plopping big splatter too...indication I gotta watch myself.......could'a been waaaaayyyy worse had my sun roof been open....eeewweeeee.....) :-o