Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL


Subject: Post here if you primarily use Dawn in Poser.

EClark1894 opened this issue on Sep 16, 2014 · 134 posts


Glitterati3D posted Fri, 19 September 2014 at 8:20 AM

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - If AJC's have so much power, then why isn't it being used more? How many products on market use this feature? I am not arguing what it can or cannot do, but the practicality of its workflow and implementation, which does send people looking the other way.

For the same reason that half of my Dawn purchases follow Poser 6 conventions instead of Poser 9+.  Too many vendors are unwilling to leave Poser 6 conventions behind; nor are they willing to learn the features that have been added to the last 3 or 4 versions of Poser. 

In my conversations with vendors over the past couple of years, they have made it quite clear that they don't care what features have been added to Poser - they aren't going to use them, lest they annoy the few remaining Poser 6 holdouts.  Pointing out that Dawn is a Poser 9+ figure and these theoretical Poser 6 users can't actually use Dawn doesn't matter to them.

It's dumb, but imo, it is what happens when vendors decide that it is all about their experience rather than the customer's experience.

I don't know about that. I've seen a few vendors attempt to make items that were for Poser 9+, for example Sixus, but currently he's back to making items for Poser 7-8 compatiblitity. Is that because he was unwilling to learn the new features, or no one was buyng his 9+ creations?

It is curious though that there hasn't been many people that has morphed Dawn into characters beyond toons.

I can only speak from my personal experience.  My Roxie and Miki4 items are very good sellers.  Are they on the same level as the Gen4 ones?  Not compared to the one M4 product I have out, but not awful either.  I'm happy with my sales.  I have never put a V4 product in a store as I prefer to support the undersupported figures.  Although, I do have a V4 set coming out soon.

Of course, I don't do 3D products for my livlihood, either.....it's still a hobby for me.  I'm lucky that I have another source of income.

However, my interaction with vendors who do V4 almost exclusively has nothing to do with the "tech" and everything to do with producing product in the fastest way possible.  They are all setup to work with V4 and have all their base rigging and refining basically automated so that they can go from modeler to rigging to texture as fast as possible.  As was said earlier, for these folks, time is money and they need to put automation to as much as they can. 

There's no "automation" to Poser weight map rigging for clothing and props.  It's still a new process that is painstaking and slower than saving a CR2 and plugging in a new object.  As the technology ages, that automation will progress and more vendors will adopt it.

I don't use DS4, but I understand it's much more automated to do weight mapping than in Poser.  The problem with that approach is the cookie cutter stuff you see - cookie cutter poses, cookie cutter movement, cookie cutter morphs.  Fitting room rigging in PP14 also automates a great deal of the process in Poser and leaves the "refinements" for the vendor to do. 

The Poser Fitting Room for weight map rigging was/is an incredible boon to riggers and will make adoption of weight mapped figures faster and easier for vendors.