Coldrake, I have no need to grasp for straws considering the subject...I simply made that post to give an example as to how anyone that mentions Renderosity is treated at the PFO...I have never seen any other type of post that suggests a new member should read the rules...I lost all respect for Willow when I was acussed by her and Grey as posting under a different name to create trouble there...I never did but yet they said some members knew for a fact that I had...It was complete BS on their part...Later Grey posted a public apology about the issue but locked the thread so no one could respond...You can defend them if you like but let me ask you this....Do you really think that everyone that has ever posted a complaint or remark about the PFO is simply just making up stuff to give those two a bad time? How many times was Grey thrown off the Poser mailing list since he wouldn't stop bad mouthing Renderosity? Did someone make that up also? For anyone that wants to believe Daz dumped them based on an email hate campaign fine, believe it...Even if I was Willow, I would have been smart enough to remove all of the bad remarks regarding Render from my TOS and rules just as a way of trying to look like a true professional that was running a business and then I would have told my husband to keep his mouth shut...I really wish someone would lay a golden egg in my hands so I could screw it up as bad as they did...Give it up Coldrake, they screwed themselves over and over and have no one to blame but themselves....