Thank you. I did it from this place in Poser and while he has nice muscularity and the look of tendons and veins in other parts of the body, the torso just doesn't seem to change. So, I am guessing that HD doesn't do particularly well with Poser or there is something I'm missing. I'm wondering if I could simulate abs with an additional body morph, but it will have to wait as DAZ got a nice $60 investment from me for Michael 6 and Sebastian.