Thanks guys! Another nice thing about this is standard lips can be applied this way as well and save future hours of texturing. I'm also thinking of making a mask for the iris to apply the same technique. Great for SIFi and glowing eyes without a sharp edge.  Hehe.  AND eye shadow.  Yes gentlemen (and ladies who are reading ... and may be on this thread, gender is hard to detect sometimes) there is no stopping this old crone now!!! While I'm waiting for my new master set of lips to render ... how would I incorporate a traditional lip image map into the mix ... not making it metalic, but just saving time texturing the original face? In other words where would I plug in the map to use the mask and a selected effect from the new node set?

Boni

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