OK, grab a coffee time again (long post warning) :-P

Just listened to every link posted apart from that full album, which I couldn't listen to for reasons I'll try to explain.  The last bunch of stuff that was posted sounded very "Rock" to me.  One thing I know for sure regards my preferences when it comes to Metal (and this applies to the way I see pretty much anything really), is that I've never been fond of what I call the 'middle ground'.  What I mean by "middle ground" is that 9 out of 10 times I'm drawn to either extreme, and Rock, although it generally sounds great, just has that aspect to it where it's neither nasty enough or happy enough, and nasty and happy don't work together.  I'm one of those who really is not very fond of Rock in general, and when it creeps into Metal, it can get annoying to the point where I start to get fed-up or bored with it (almost always as soon as the song starts).

When it comes to Metal, I like it for the nastiness in an audible, lyrical, and visual sense - so anything that misses the mark there is generally a fail for me.  I see it as an extreme genre, a genre at the dark end of the spectrum, so that's how I expect it to be, I don't expect to hear a whiney Rock-style vocal in Death Metal or any other similar subgenre.

My ideal Metal is as follows:

• Must not be posers.
• Must not be tainted by commercialism at all.
• Must have a total disrecard for political correctness and speak their mind (truthfully).
• Must be capable of using their music to speak their mind (the super-talented can do that even without a vocal).
• Must not have a whiney Rock vocal.
• Must have a genuine seriousness about them.

That last one is actually very important to me with this stuff, cause shocking as it might sound, I like to think of true Death or Black Metal artists as real deviants in one way or another, and it feels like I'm being mocked if I listen to some band, like what they did, then watch an interview with them only to find out they're actually a bunch of pussies when you hear about their real take on things.  I mean I realise this stuff for the most part is entertainment, but for me, the really interesting ones are the ones that are real deviants in one way or another, and their music and image reflects the sort of deviant they are.  There is an endless amount of music made by normal people, I want to hear something produced by a genuine deviant for a change.  So it's good (and I'm glad) that I started to listen to Metal, but at the same time it's fucking irritating that a genre with they typical sound that Metal has, is populated by so many posers, pussies, whatever you want to call them - just seems such a waste of a suitable-sounding gerne.

I hate feeling like I got shafted by 'posers' when I happen to like something they did, only to discover they're really just another bunch of pussies who are just playing on the 'image' of being deviant - pathetic twats.  I hate them because during my research into this stuff, I've stumbled across people who I'm convinced are real deviants, and deviants fascinate me in the same way documentaries about serial killers etc fascinate me.  The way I see it is there's Disco if you wanna dance (and I like Disco).  Then there's that Gospel shit if you fancy cutting your wrist, and there's true Deviant Metal created by true deviants if you want something genuine.

I hereby pen the term "Deviant Metal", and as the dude that penned the term, I get to decide what is and isn't worthy of it.
Point out the true deviants to me, those that deserve to fall under the Genre "Deviant Metal" - strictly no posers or pussies allowed.

Here's a fascinating artist, ildjarn, first track I heard of his was this one (and it's still my favourite)
Listen carefully even if you don't like it, don't be tempted to stop it (trust me):

Hear it? ... Check out the chords used over time, and the timing of them changing, that atmosphere, that is one of the most original Metal tracks I heard ever since I started listening to the stuff - I absolutely love that one - doesn't even have a vocal -doesnlt need one, the chords speak for themselves.  I was literally just trawling through YouTube at the time, hoping I'd find something that had "something".  You'll either get what I'm talking about regards the chords and the atmosphere it creates, or you won't, but I've yet to come across another artist who does that sort of thing in the way ildjarn does.  I'm not even going to try explaining it, because I can't other than I like the way an intense wall of sound and atmosphere is built, while still being concious of the changes just enough for it to not become static - it's very odd.  Theres some very sublte changes going on even when the main chords aren't changing.  No doubt a lot of people would play his stuff and think 'what a fucking noise'.  To those people, they should listen again and ask themselves if they hear anything other than anger - cause I can't - and there's not a whif of commercialism in there - it has a real sense of sincerity about it - a dark sincerity.

So I thought, yup, nice, and started listening to more of his stuff, and that led to me looking for an interview.  I still have it on a disc somewhere, an interview with him that was downloadable as a PDF, and guess what, lol, the guy is clearly a deviant, not some pussy being a poser.  If his music doesn't factinate you, I'm sure his interview will, I'll try to find it and post it later - it's better than the interviews posted on the net.

But that track right there, that has manace and atmosphere - I love that track.  Didn't really want to bring this side of Metal into the discussion because for one, my idea of the ideal Metal band kinda sounds dodgy, and to be perfectly honest with you, I find the vast majority of Metal out there to be a piss-take, and that puts me in a prime position for pissing those off who like Rock etc - and that's almost all of you .  Almost everything that has been posted (including that Candelmess track I posted) have a hint of Rock to them.  Ildjarn is the exact opposite, I like ildjarn, I don't feel like the music is part-passion, part-mockery when I listen to ildjarn, I feel like I heard something genuine - it's all passion, no mockery.

Don't like Rock creeping into Metal any more than I like Dub-Step creeping into Disco.  Anyway, sorry for babbling-on again (but I did advise a coffee), but as you've all been good enough to offer suggestions, it seems only fair to be up-front about what I was after.  I want to hear the work of real deviants who make music and know how to translate themselves into a musical form.  That can really only work if there's no mockery in what they're doing, pretending to be and to write about what they really have no real notion about.

I have a strict like for Metal - "Deviant Metal".